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By: watertonrivers. on 17 May 12, 09:24:58
Regardless of what Moe did or didn't say, his record stands as one of the greatest ball strikers of all time!! He found something that worked and was a great player with idiosyncrasies that the conforming world of the PGA was at odds with. Too bad they did not try to deal with him in a kind way because there's no telling what he could have achieved here in the USA...just a damned shame!!?
By: wdefrancesco. on 13 May 12, 01:47:49
That is a very good observation, and I considered it for a moment until I noted that Moe's setup is not at all like Hogan's. They are both closed with the feet, but Hogan is far more square to open with his hips and shoulders to the target line than Moe. Due to a problem I have with getting depth with my? right hip in the backswing, I have started to pull my right foot back. Everything else in the setup functions normally. Moe is not doing this. He is aiming right with everything, thus pulling.
By: bogey1911. on 13 May 12, 00:10:00
If you ever read five lessons, you would know that Hogan set up to the ball open with short irons and closed with woods. I see Moe setting up closed with? a wood in this video, not pulling.
By: bjmorris64. on 06 May 12, 11:28:20
That line struck me as well. I'd say he has a pretty darn good? golfing resume compared to 99.9% of the golfers who have ever lived. I've read The Feeling of Greatness a couple of times. It's a great read. And no, I certainly don't hold him up as being some sort of example of how to magically swing a golf club. Just another example of somebody who did it their way instead of the way prescribed by the self appointed "experts".
By: Yelostn801. on 27 Apr 12, 23:49:59
Most people don't understand Moe's swing he had a flatter plane at the bottom of his swing than most. His left knee stayed bent to prevent spinning out, thus he thought he was driving the club down the line past the ball, but physics and? video disprove this, he actually drove the club down the line behind the ball, this is why his head is further back than most to allow a laterial move with his lower body. Hogan had a similar swing but I beleive he spun out earlier thus a weaker grip than Moe's
By: imacfunk. on 27 Apr 12, 16:08:21
"Moe was so weird he couldn't take what he did a make a resume"? Seriously? How about from 58 to 76 over a dozen open championship wins, on the senior Canadian tour out of seven years he won six. 33 course records, 17 holes in one, and shot 59 three times in competition. Yeah, too bad about that swing. He wasn't autistic or a savant - that from people who knew him well. He was very private, and very bright. If he was a young man today he'd be a sensation,? but back in the '50s... not so much.
By: drawbias. on 25 Apr 12, 20:02:44
I had the pleasure of watching this guy hit balls on many occasions and even stood out on the range and shagged them, which was a easy job as they did not land far away from each other. The sound of his strike and the dime shaped mark on his irons were one in a million. I like your idea on his slight pull as he did not give you much time to? assess his aim before he pulled the trigger. Do you think he set the club down so far behind the ball to control the first foot or so of his takeaway?
By: chipmunkspunk. on 19 Apr 12, 21:57:49
Good vid. I think I had some cognitive dissonance going on from listening to Mo talk about? his swing and then watching it. This video has helped demystify a few things. Thanks. :)
By: Strgchris. on 18 Apr 12, 04:04:53
I love your commentaries! They have helped my game tremendously! So thank you! ? I suspect that ascii456 is actually Johnny Miller. He just tired of you making him look like a horses ass.
By: wdefrancesco. on 18 Apr 12, 01:04:17
What swing "commentaries" are you referring to? And what is an "average" exit? I'm sure you have all the data. For your info Moe is more left on his exit than just about anyone you can find, which is not surprising? because he stands way further from it than anyone. You saying that I am "hell bent" on being more knowledgeable is just your opinion, and you are watching (and listening) to the video to see and hear mine. You have a volume button and an on-off button. Feel free to use either.
By: ascii456. on 17 Apr 12, 18:54:19
I've never read a swing commentary that didn't confirm your position as a horse's ass. That exit is way more "down the line" than average which of course we all know is physically impossible ,but a feeling. It is confirmed by watching the swing without your comments hell bent on being more knowledgeable than everyone else. Funny thing is , you actually aren't. ..."Be careful what good players say based on feel?" That's a lesson???? EPIC FAIL what an ass. p.s. I? love your videos with sound off
By: womensrights. on 16 Apr 12, 06:30:38
lol, yeah, i heard that? Hendrix dude was? pretty damn good
By: MrLuigiFercotti. on 13 Apr 12, 01:12:46
Jeez, people, all WD is saying here is that you need to separate? what someone says about their swing verses what they actually do. That fact is true for many players, great and not so great. In terms of swinging down the line, I would venture to say that Moe's exit line from impact is less left than would be indicated from the downswing plane, and so I'm sure that it sure felt like he was. Because even small movements can feel like big ones.
By: gtrmanification. on 10 Apr 12, 03:05:47
Moe WAS autistic. He had no clue what he was doing to hit the ball. The only thing he did consistently? was before he hit the shot he said "Watch this" That's the only thing that was consistent with him. I'm very thankful for people who try to analyze what Moe did. I would love to know what he did because most of are Autistic and we don't even know it. I think I am. so help me Moe!!!!
By: TheBigezee77. on 23 Mar 12, 14:35:01
why didnt moe? go?
By: watertonrivers. on 20 Mar 12, 08:40:41
Some people refer to people like Moe as a "Savant", much like the "Rain Man". They are not really austistic nor do they have aspergers syndrome. He found something he was really good at and was obsessed with it!! That to? me is a Savant.
By: alex10for2. on 15 Mar 12, 15:09:24
Baffles me when people on youtube think they have a? better handle on a legend's swing than the legend himself. Some of you people have too much faith in your own ignorance. Moe had a drill where he would hit a coin 22 inches in front of his ball as he swung through the ball. Moe's stayed down through the shot longer than most, like Lord Byron (also a short/straight hitter) - that combined with shoulders getting steep through impact (like Hogan) gave him the straight ball.
By: EagleEyeGolfer. on 23 Feb 12, 22:43:49
lol, yeah, i heard that Hendrix dude was pretty? damn good.
By: wdefrancesco. on 23 Feb 12, 20:27:11
I don't know...I might have gotten some "amor" from watching Hogan or Snead after they were 60. Too bad I didn't know enough to search them out. I didn't see? Hendrix, either.
By: EagleEyeGolfer. on 23 Feb 12, 19:22:51
I suppose it's hard to be "enamored" by watching anyone who's 60 yrs? plus hitting golf balls, lol.
By: mikepa67. on 16 Feb 12, 03:04:08
Moe Never went to doctors or? dentists.
By: smithersandburns. on 15 Feb 12, 11:07:15
But Johnny Miller says that he and Moe kept the clubface squarer than anybody, for over two feet through impact!!!!! Imagine if I were serious right now.? It's weird when people are good at golf yet delusional about what they are really doing. Moe clearly had some kind of mental thing going on that seemed to go undiagnosed. Miller however, clearly has a case of Doucheman's disease. The main symptom being whenever he opens his mouth he sounds like a huge douche.
By: smithersandburns. on 15 Feb 12, 11:06:42
But Johnny Miller says that he and Moe kept the clubface squarer than anybody, for over? two feet through impact!!!!! Imagine if I were serious right now. It's weird when people are good at golf yet delusional about what they are really doing. Moe clearly had some kind of mental thing going on that seemed to go undiagnosed. Miller however, clearly has a case of Doucheman's disease. The main symptom being whenever he opens his mouth he sounds like a huge douche.
By: wdefrancesco. on 26 Jan 12, 12:03:05
I have nothing against Moe. He said what he said (I heard him say it over and over) and he meant what he said. Plenty of good players don't really know what they actually do during their swings. I was trying to point that out to the people interested in swing mechanics. It is also true that I never? saw Moe in his prime, and when I did see him I wasn't enamored of the strike he put on the ball. He definitely hit it straight, though.
By: snbailes1. on 25 Jan 12, 19:24:44
you seem intent on lambasting? moe, he didn't say he actually did certain actions he did say it's what he saw in his minds eye and what he felt he did. leave the guy alone. or are you jelous.